Episode Transcript
[00:00:12] Speaker A: Hey, welcome everyone to another episode of the Jonathan Project podcast where iron is sharpening iron. And we take the biblical example of Jonathan and his good friend and future king David as the inspiration for our show as we help men navigate this complex world that we're in. It's. If you want me and Jason to come out to a men's event, you have something going on. You've listened to the show and you found inspiration. Please reach out to us at the Jonathan Project podcast gmail.com Again, the Jonathan Project podcast gmail.com. jason, what's going on?
[00:00:46] Speaker B: Morning. Good morning. Well, it's a beautiful morning here.
Well, it will be for a few hours. We're going to get some rain.
[00:00:54] Speaker A: Uh huh.
[00:00:55] Speaker B: You know, the benefit of living in Alabama, you don't like the weather. Give it a few minutes and it'll change.
[00:01:00] Speaker A: I feel that's the same across the Gulf here in Florida where it's super hot early humid. We had a little bit of some record breaking heat. As far as the hottest records for a day at this time of year. They were broken the last couple days.
[00:01:18] Speaker B: Oh really?
[00:01:18] Speaker A: So that's never fun to start off the heat. It doesn't bode well either for hurricane season which is fast approaching. It could be a wild ride, huh? E4.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: Really?
[00:01:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So here's, here's a little fun trivia. Fact it has never supposedly and recorded since they started recording. The weather hit 100 degrees in Tampa in the metro area. Now what I will say it was 94 degrees yesterday with about probably 55% humidity, almost 60%. So it felt like a good, probably 100 plus degrees. That's the thing. Yeah. The air temp might not hit 100. But I, I mean you get here about June, July, it is, it is. Punch you in the face. Oppressive.
[00:02:06] Speaker B: That's.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Yep.
Yeah. That's why, that's why it makes everything so special here.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: Well, glad you're here. Appreciate it and also thanks to all the listeners out there. Good morning to Tyler who will be listening to this as part of his Bible study.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And our good friend Sam who is super locked in. So I see the messages and as soon as I finish the multitude of red ink on the manuscript, Sam, I promise I'm gonna send you a book when it comes out here soon.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: Good deal.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: Good deal. All right, so what, what are we gonna jump into here? And I guess I'll tease it out, Jason, and set you up for the, for the home run. Swing is, you know, let me ask the audience something. Know right off the Jump here. You know, what are you really putting your faith in? You know, that's something that I think every now and again you got to have that asthma check, you know, like, so you're not out in the woods and getting lost and you run into the wrong, you know, kind of objective. It's the same thing in our spiritual life. You know, is it your bank account that you're putting all your hope in? Is it your job title? Is it your skills? You know, maybe it's that ability that you have that you believe that comes from nowhere else, that you can make things happen. But. But, you know, that wouldn't be the first time people have had those thoughts. And they permeate, I would say, in a lot of ways, what we see in our modern society. But here's the truth, and that's what we're going to be talking about here. You're not meant to rely on anything outside of Jesus.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: Jesus.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: Jesus is your truth, and he is your start and end point for all things. So, Jason, what are we going to kind of get into off of that with the folks?
[00:03:41] Speaker B: Well, like you and I said, if you don't. If you don't anchor your truth in Jesus Christ, then you're open to every deception and lie that the enemy has.
That's. That is the way life is, right? Like, it's, yeah, Jesus. And then there's the enemy, right? It's. It's a binary thing. There's no. I'll just take this middle road. No, absolutely not. Jesus. And then it's the enemy. So if you don't anchor your truth in Jesus, then you're anchoring it into something that's false. And, you know, I took a look, you know, of course, because I'm. I have a curious mind. And so I was looking at truth and I was trying to look at definitions and how we kind of derive to that, but the common theme that runs through it is it's all real, real things, events, facts. And it keeps springing up in accord with fact and reality. So I was kind of curious that there they had this thing called objective truth and subjective truth. And objective truth is obviously what goes to fact, but subjective truth is what you believe to be true. And which is. That could be wrong. But when you anchor it in Jesus Christ, Jesus says in John 14:6, it says, I am the way, the truth and the life, and no man cometh unto the Father, but by me, that's the truth. Right. I took a look at what John 8 says 32, if you want to Follow along, I'll have a little bit of time. But know the truth and it will set you free. And I thought about that. Set you free from one. And I think once you know that Jesus is that truth, right? Like, this is how we get to heaven. This is how sins are forgiven. This is how a full life occurs. Your chains are broken that tie you into the things that, you know, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life, that sort of thing. So that was kind of my thought.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: No, no, I like it. And you know, as I was, was preparing for this one, you know, I thought about it too. I was like, you know, if, if Jesus is not your truth, then what are you believing is like a deception and a lie. And we talked about this a little bit throughout the week. And so it's those little quiet deceptions, you know, they kind of creep into our lives that can pull us away. Like the deception like I talked about in, in my intro, kind of thoughts of self sufficiency. You know, I have all this talent, I have all this wealth, strong work ethic. You know, you can hear people saying that thing like, well, I, I can, I can just go all day and it's all about what I'm doing. But if you're not grounded in that faith and trust in Jesus, and then it becomes a lie, and it will fail you at some point. And when, when that dam breaks of whatever it was, it's my wealth, it's my status, and it goes away. And if you're not rooted in Jesus, then what comes flooding in is the adversary. And he tells you, you see, he never loved you, never trusted you, and you're on your own, right? And he will, as Jason said last week, and I encourage you, go back and listen to that show. Aiden likes to destroy us or get us to believe a lie and then leave you all alone and separated and isolated. And then to reinforce the lie that now you're so unlovable and unworthy that God can't ever come back and use you, which is absolutely a lie. And Jeremiah 17, 17 and 5 says, Cursed is the man who trusts him in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord. You know, like there's actually, you know, from that scripture, from that verse, it tells us that when you step away from the Lord, you're cursing yourself, you're cursing your life when you're trusting in something else, whatever that is. Psalms 118 and 8 reminds us it's better to take refuge in the Lord, than to trust man. It is a strong thing right now in modern society to put trust into someone else or something else. And inevitably, just like it's always been since the first two people were on this planet, when you start trusting in something else, it falls apart. And you know, it's easy to fall into that self reliance, but there's the danger. And when we get it all together, we got to stop leaning on ourselves and lean on to the one who can redeem us, which is Jesus Christ.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: Well, that's why in John 8:32, and he says, you got to know the truth and the truth will set you free. We look at a lot of other people as our savior, right?
[00:07:58] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: And the truth is there's only one. And that's what's reflected in John 14:6.
Look, there's only one Savior, that's Jesus Christ, and that's it. So when you do put your faith in other things, they'll inevitably fail. It's great because it's becoming summertime. Here are a ton of real world examples. Go to the pool, go to the beach. No one's out there walking on water. Only one guy. Right. One other guy tried it, but he sang OP and they were good friends.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Right.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: So that's, that's. So where do you, where do you get this? And I was kind of pulling this thread and I was kind of looking at John because I love this. And it says, in the beginning was the Word. Word was with God, and the Word was God and all things are made through him. And in him was life. Right. And it's talking about Jesus.
And I was, I was reading my Bible last night. I know a lot of people who are listening read their Bible too. As a matter of fact, I started calling out more scripture because I hope as much as they may love us or they may know us, I hope they look it up as well. I really do. That's important. Your, your Bible is. Your Bible is as important in your Life as your M4 is in. In conflict. Right. And if it's not well worn in from where you're turning pages, reading and trying to figure it out, probably not going to work real well for you when you really do need it.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: But it. And, and I will tell you, and I will say something positive about technology. I am able to search things on my phone and it'll give me the scriptural reference, which is great.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: So it's good to have that little fact for you here as I was looking at it. Well, let me back up part of this story comes from Luke, chapter six. I like Luke. Luke is a nuts and bolts kind of. Here it is. This is the. This is how it occurred. But I'm in chapter six and I made it. Kobe, you'll appreciate this. I'm about three verses in to chapter six. And I stopped because I was real curious. Jesus and his disciples walked to the field and, you know, it speaks to me. Growing up in the south and kind of being out. And they grabbed some ears of corn and they are, you know, rubbing it in their hands. And then some Pharisees said unto them, why are you doing what's unlawful? Right. What are you doing here? And Jesus looks at him and he says, have you not read so much as this what David did? So he starts. He asked him about reading. He says, this is what David did. And it made me stop. Number one, I have some field corn, and it's pretty tough if you can eat it. But, you know, Jesus's answer was, the Bible says. And I thought about that because Billy Graham was very, very famous for that statement. The Bible says he didn't get in philosophical debate. He didn't say anything. Others, like the Bible says, as a Christian, that ought to be where we go, right? What does the Bible say as we look at our truth? So here is some phenomenal statistics for you that you know, because I love. Out of the U.S. okay, all U.S. adults, 20% believe the Bible is the actual word of God.
Okay? Yep. Out of Christian adults, Christian adults, 25%, it's the actual word of God.
It's about to get better now. 49% of all adults say it's inspired by the word of God, but not to be taken literally.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: Yeah. In Christian adults, 58% say it's inspired by the word of God and cannot be taken literally. 6% of the 176 million American adults. This is by an Arizona Christian university. They found out that 6% who ideas Christians actually hold a biblical worldview. 6%. 6% Bible is guiding what I do.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: It's amazing.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: Well, it's amazing that it speaks directly to what you see going on in the world. If you have so many people that quote, unquote, they might as well just as much as it's a thing to quote, unquote, identify your truth and what you align yourself to. It's harder for me to understand how so many people can identify themselves as Christians. And then when you pull the numbers and you look at things like this and you poll people, their beliefs are actually antichrist. Anti Christian, right? And so, you know, Jesus said he was the truth, plain and simple. He says I'm the way, the truth and life and no one comes to the Father except by me. John 14 and 6. He is that filter through which really, if you're a Christian right out of the gate foundationally, you have to filter all your life through. And if you're not, is the greatest way to find success, peace and joy in your life is filtering things through Jesus. And looking at that truth isn't just the information, it's a person, you know, and it was Jesus. And when we remove Jesus from the equation, right, and we just give it surface level lips, even demons know Jesus name. And I hear so many people throw this stuff out, like, oh well, you know the Lord and Jesus. Jesus gave a really strong warning. He says on the day, which is the day of judgment, when everyone's gonna have to have the ultimate one on one and stand before the king of kings. And it's either going to be really plain and simple binary. Either he knows you or he does it. It's not about you knowing him. And I think a lot of people skip over this as they're divining their own self truth and their self reliance and buying into the deception and lies that are happening, you know, but if he doesn't know you and people are crying out Lord, Lord, on that day, he's gonna be like, I don't know you. And that's a bad place to be. First Timothy 3 and 15 calls the church the pillar and buttress of truth. So listening to Jason statistics, how many folks are going to church because it's a social thing to do is because what mom told us to do, you know, I'm just here and you're going through the motions. Well, it translates. And everything that I see and I had a good conversation with Jason yesterday. The thing that bothers me is there's so many people that are quick to throw out, oh, we're, we're a nation of Christian principles. We're a nation founded on Christianity. And I'm like, it's the far that's probably one of the biggest lies going just point blank. Because if you look at our society, the statistics point out, as Jason highlighted, we're pretty far from the truth. You get more truth. A lot of people find in social media, the media and even some church pulpits, the truth is being bent to fit that little tribe, what they want to do. But here's what won't change God's truth. And it stands firm no Matter what shifts in our society.
[00:14:37] Speaker B: That's. That's really good. You said a lot. You know, I was thinking about a couple of things right now. When you look at truth and you've got kids and you know they're out there, you and I do, there is a little. Can you tell the difference between AI and reality on certain things, Right. Is this AI generated or is it not? And it's hard to tell right now. It's amazing what can be generated in its deception. And, you know, we think it's kind of cute right now with these photographs of beaches and birds flying and everything else, but it's a pathway. It's something that somebody could use to deceive you. Right. When you mentioned that with the statistics that are out there and why we see things the way they are, I was going to look up the fruit of the spirit, because I wish I could just recall it all off the top of my head in authority. But the truth is, do you see that out there? It's not. When people say and go to churches and people rely on just what does the pastor say? They don't dig into the scripture themselves.
Debating. You're basically just going, yep, that guy's speaking the truth. Well, I completely trust him. I remember going to a pretty popular church when, you know, my daughter was young and they went to vacation Bible school. And we're in there. I'm like, this is great. Let's see how it goes. And the guy, the pastor, gets up there in front of this pretty large church and he says, hey, we had a great day. This is where we're going. This is what we're doing. And he says, I told all the kids the most important thing, the most important thing they could do today is to remember to bring their change for tomorrow. I'm like, their change? He goes, yeah, we're going to put it in buckets and see which one weighs up the most. But the most important thing they can do is to remember to bring their change. I sat there for a moment. We left down to my daughter. I said, what's the most important thing you learned today? She goes, to bring our change for tomorrow's podcast. I'm like, that's not the most important thing, baby. The most important thing is Jesus Christ. And so we didn't attend that church very much longer. You know, there were some other things that kind of came out and we're like, ah, probably need to move on, right? Every man is susceptible to the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and life, right? To Include pastor, to include everybody. And you know, men are fallible. So you have to anchor it into Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is my savior. The Bible is his word. And that's what I need to dig into. Right. I think when you don't see people exhibit the fruit of the spirit, then maybe they just say they're Christians, you know.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, it, it goes into what I would say and categorizes the nature of deception. And I think a lot of people are asleep at the will point blank because there's only two spirits that rule this, this world. It's the Holy Spirit and then it's Satan's spirit. So if you don't see manifest in a person's life the fruit of the spirit, you know, peace, gentleness, kindness, you know, those joy, you know, like you don't see that and you see something else, vengeance, malice, hatred, murdering kind of spirit that, that should, that should key up something for you. You shouldn't probably follow and chase behind it. And the Bible doesn't just warn about lies again, those deceptions. It says deception will come and people will welcome it. Huh. I kind of wonder where we're at on the map and how many people are welcoming that. Second Thessalonians 2 and 11 says, Therefore God sends them a strong delusion so that they may believe what is false. It's a dangerous place to be. And fall into the hands of a living God is one thing the Bible tells us. It also tells us, and if you go back and look at the Exodus story, it is a little bit of a warning that when God allowed Pharaoh to do certain things, it says, you know, Pharaoh's heart, Pharaoh's heart, what he was doing out of his heart. And then at some point it says God started hardening his heart. God can turn over people, a nation, over to his sins. When you choose again to believe. Deception and lies versus following the truth. The truth has you go against the grain. It has you being a little bit uncomfortable. But sometimes that's where we need to be. Matthew 10:16. Be as wise as serpents and innocent as doves. That's what Jesus says. You have to be savvy. You have to understand how Satan in this modern era has all these different channels funnel deception to you. And to weed it out, use the filter that is Jesus Christ and say, you know what, this is just a lie from the pits of hell. We need to be alert. You know, brothers and sisters, listening to this day, Satan is so crafty and he doesn't always show up in rebellion and this obvious blatant sin and these cultural things that have people going up in arms. Sometimes it's the comfort, it's the distraction, and it's the subtle compromise of what you believe in your own heart is the truth, which is really not. He'll whisper, you got this. They're wrong. Those kind of people are wrong. Blah, blah, blah. And then he'll say, you don't need to pray about that. You don't need to think about that. And it's little by little the lies get bigger. And then there you are believing a lie and following Satan and you didn't even see it come.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: Yeah, look, here's one for you. If people gloss over this, I'm sure.
But I made sure I wrote it out on my Bible because, you know, this is one of the things I want to pass on my kids, is all the notes in my Bible.
When you take a look In Luke chapter 4 and verse 33, Jesus goes to Capernaum and it's the city of Galilee. And then on the Sabbath day, he goes in and he begins to speak in the synagogue. And they're all amazed at his doctrine. And it says, in the synagogue there was a man which had a spirit of an unclean devil. And he cried out with a loud voice saying, lord, or let us alone. What have we to do with thee? Thou Jesus of Nazareth, art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. And Jesus rebuked him and said, hold thy peace and come out of it, Right? Think about that for a minute, because you hit a nail on the head. In the end, there's going to be plenty of people that say, but we prophesied and we called your name and this, that, and the other thing. He goes, I didn't know you. How long do you think that demon was sitting in that synagogue? Probably a while, right? So when you go to church, if you don't open your Bible, if you don't open it regularly, you are absolutely open to deceit. If you don't anchor it into the truths of Christ, you are absolutely open to deceit. And you know, and I go back to this, that when they go, well, we don't really interpret the Bible literally. I'm going to read this and tell me which part of this is not literal. In John 3:16, everybody should know this. If you don't, it's okay. Learn it right. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Which part of that do I not need to take literally? For God so loved the world, it's pretty evident that he did, right? Like that's a literal thing that he gave his only, only begotten Son. And that goes back to, you know, John 14:6. Nobody's getting to the Father but through me, right? And whosoever believeth in him. And that's reverberated throughout all of it's echoed in Romans and everywhere else, right. If you believe in him, you shouldn't perish and have everlasting life. I think that's pretty literal. I think I'm going to take that pretty literal. It's all I got, right. When we look at that, we look at, well, will Jesus and Romans talks about he's not going to leave you, he's not going to forsake you. Like, that's my savior. Yeah, that's the truth. And you know, Colby, as good of friends as you and I are, and you know, I, I drive down there in a heartbeat, you needed help, whatever, right? But on that day of judgment, you and I will not be standing side by side. It's a one on one event. No, I don't get to show up with you pick it. I don't show up my football team, I don't get to show up my political record. I don't get to go, these are my good friends. This is my checkbook. I don't get show up in anything.
[00:22:41] Speaker A: No, it's a pretty one way conversation.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: It's a one way conversation. Yeah. I'm on trial. I don't get to say a lot.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: No. But I guess I'll wrap up my thoughts for, for this show is because this one really kind of hit for me is this just this whole topic, you know, is Jesus your truth? Because it, it's kind of like that foundational thing where this other buzzword I hear people throw out quite a bit is like, oh, I'm a leader. It's the same kind of thing. It's like, oh, truth. And I believe this. And it's like, okay, well what it. The truth is a person. And if you're not saying Jesus, then it's kind of a non starter. You know, Psalms 12 breaks it down kind of beautifully. As Jason has already said, the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of, of your heart. It breaks it down kind of in three different words. It's funny how the Lord reiterates things multiple times. Vanity, flattery and blasphemy Those are Satan's brands, if you would. And everyone utters lies to his neighbor. Psalms 12 and 2. The word lies in that verse, though it means emptiness. There is man, us. Society is living on autopilot. We can see it. Everybody's just mailing it in. No purpose, no thought on eternity, just drifting, waiting for the next person to tell you what to do, what to think, how to be, versus leaning into the absolute truth. It could be scrolling for hours, chasing likes, not legacy, going to church, but never asking, why am I here? Who am I, and what's beyond this life? 2nd Corinthians 4, 4 tells us the God of this world, Satan, he blended the minds of the unbelievers, right? Blending that with who, what? The believers. And you see folks again aligning to their own little tribes and camps. And Satan's just like, yep, I got you. I got you isolated. I got you thinking about stuff that is not heavenly and has nothing to do with promoting the Kingdom. Flattery. Psalms 12, 2, 3. With flattering lips and a double heart, they speak. In a culture of vanity, flattery becomes the currency, and we only say what people want to hear. We avoid the truth that challenges and speaks to what God called us to do. To speak life into truth, into people's lives, and to challenge them with love. Isaiah 39:11 says God's people told the prophets, speak to us smooth things. Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel. This is not a new problem, this is an old one. But we just keep repeating because the church doesn't want to sometimes step up and be the church. The world we're in. Don't offend, don't convict, just keep flattering. I don't want you to ever tell me that I'm wrong. And if you are, you're disloyal. Ever heard some things like that? Don't tell me the truth, tell me what I want to hear. That's a brand of Satan. Blasphemy. Psalms 12:4. Our lips are with us. Who is master over us? This is defiance. I run my life. I don't need God. It's the same lies that Satan fed Eve and Adam in the garden. You will be like God. How many people run around wanting to be their own little gods. Blasphemy is claiming the throne that belongs to Christ and saying, I'm good on my own. And that, my brothers, that is the most dangerous deception of all right now.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I like. I like how you put that. I really do.
Bringing all that in to the people that are listening really do.
You know, truth is an important thing, especially right now, as we move forward, there is more information out there than we've ever seen in our lives. Right. So as a fun fact is, I am definitely a Gen X human. I was explaining to my kids that, you know, like, I went to the library to get things, you know, we were very fortunate. We had an encyclopedia set of encyclopedia.
[00:26:09] Speaker A: I remember those.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: I love those. I could find one. I would, I'd get it and just, you know, put it in the house because I love perusing through those, you know, when the three channels went out, you know, and used a typewriter, too. But you went to the library and you looked things up and it went through publication, as, you know, as your books are going through publication. And it was back and forth, back and forth. Right. So there was a sense of inherent quality in knowledge that came out. The iPhone allows people to publish at will. Right. And as our listeners know, this is a largely one man show here. Colby does all the electronic work and does everything else. I just show up with the good looks and drinking a cup of coffee.
But it's. It allows so much misinformation, too, right? Like, if you Google something, it's. You can find anything that will support anything. There's, there's. There's an order, probably an article written out there right now that says you'll wallow in big sloth. Your muscles will grow.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: Right, yeah.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: Making it up, you know, But I'm sure there's something, right? Well, I like, you know, they had the liver kingdom. I just eat raw liver and, you know, and I look like, you know, Arnold or whatever. Right. How long did that get perpetuated? It's true. So, yeah, I think above all, right now it's so important to lay that solid foundation because you're just getting flooded and flooded with, well, this and, well, that, you know, and I think it does. It goes back to what does it look like? You know, I think anytime you have a dividing spirit, that's not good.
Jesus doesn't, doesn't look at that. He says, like, let me tell you, there is going to be a lot. It's either my side or no or not. I still love, you know, the Joshua story. Whose side are you on? We're going up here, we're going against these walls of Jericho. Whose side are you on? He goes, hey, look, Hoss, I'm on neither of your side. I'm on God's side. You better get on board with this. I love that. I love that.
[00:28:08] Speaker A: It's a whole thing I can get on a soapbox about that, which it just blows my mind nowadays. Like, people actually believe God is on their particular. Pick your thing, and in this. In this life, that he's on your side. He's like, nah, man, you missed that. You need to go back and read that story that Jason just highlighted. He's on his side and you need to be on his side.
[00:28:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm on his. I'm on his team. He's not on my team. I didn't look, go, hey, you know, God, you're so lucky you got me. Let me tell you what I bring. Yeah, that's not the way it went. I was like, please take me on your team. Right. But just like you mentioned, you know, look at it. It's the fruit of the spirit. Right. Just run it through that simple filter. Is this the spirit of love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control? Right, that's it.
Does it. Does it point to Jesus or does it point to someone else? Those are pretty simple filters.
[00:29:02] Speaker A: Pretty simple.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's. That's kind of my closing thoughts. I'm looking at the time, so I know guys are getting to work now.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, like I said, great, great conversation. We could probably go on, but just want to leave the people with that. Just, you know, you know, anchor yourself in Jesus, use it as the word of God, as a filter, and, you know, resist the devil. So that is another great episode of the Jonathan Project podcast. You can find this episode and every episode comes out Tuesday mornings on your favorite platform. Spotify, Apple, I Heart, Amazon Music, you name it, you can probably find us there. If you found inspiration and you're like, man, this is great. I would love to have these guys come out and speak to my little men's group or whatever group you have. Please reach out to us at the Jonathan Project podcast, Gmail.com. again, the Jonathan Project podcast, Gmail.com. we also have a great, wonderful tool in a world where everything keeps getting more expensive. It is free. A free devotional. Imagine that, giving something to just help people. So that will be in all of our links for the show. You can get that devotional. It's a two minute read every day, but it will help you grow, be stronger, and just look at the world a little bit differently through the lens of Jesus Christ. So thank you and Jason, it was good spending a little time with you and see you again here soon.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: All right, see you, buddy.
