Episode Transcript
[00:00:18] Speaker A: Hey, welcome everyone to another episode of the Jonathan Project podcast where iron is sharpening iron and we help men navigate the complexities of the world around them. And we take the biblical example of friendship and loyalty with Jonathan and his friend David and future king as the inspiration for this podcast. If you have a men's event going on, a boys event, something at your church, your business, and you want me and Jason, after listening to all of our great wonderful episodes to come out and speak to your group, we'd be more than happy to do that. Please reach out to us at the Jonathan Project podcastmail.com Again, the Jonathan Project podcastmail.com Jason, it's good to see you. Welcome to another show. Welcome to another take. I'm trying to record this show because as people don't know, the devil can get busy sometimes. And we both just dropped from the previous take that we were trying to run. So welcome back again.
[00:01:17] Speaker B: Good to see you.
Do appreciate you and technical wizardry.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Well you saw how that paid off. Just about five minutes.
I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know what happened.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: Good week?
[00:01:33] Speaker A: It was a pretty good week. I got family here in the house so hopefully the circus of noises doesn't pour into the room during the recording. I don't know if they stomped out the Internet. Well, I don't know what happened. But we're back. So I know you had an interesting week and it gets into this topic that I think the audience will get a lot of out of. The Bible has a lot to say about what legacy and what we're supposed to leave as not only just men but as Christians in general. So I would love to hear how your week went.
[00:02:05] Speaker B: So in a similar vein here we've got family at the house. You know, we're still doing the renovations as flooding that took place but we got family in. We, my brother in law just had a baby so we're watching our nephew too. So there's at any moment a circus could spill over into this as well. That's okay. But this week, so this week several people I knew passed away, you know, in different parts of the nation. But it kind of dawns on you that 100% of the people you're going to die, it's just the way life is.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: Yeah, one over one.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah, believe that. Go find me 150 year old person, ask them how it's going.
But we all cross that bridge, right? And when I was in one of those, one of the funerals there, you know, as you read about someone's obituary. And you read about someone's, you know, you listen to the eulogy. How far down that list do you get? Before they go, they either knew Christ or they did.
[00:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: And, you know, what is your legacy? Legacy is something that you leave behind.
And I gave. I got a lot of thought about that. When people talk about you, what's the first thing they're going to say?
And that. That really kind of struck with me or stuck with me and struck me very profoundly.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So no, I could tell, man. I know. And you know, the audience. Anyways, listen, we. We talk every day, maybe even a couple of times during the day. And I remember listening to you on those calls and, you know, and I could just tell. I was like, man, like, you know, we were discussing, hey, what are we going to talk about this week? And we both kind of just kind of kept talking about, man. It is. It's one of the most tragic things that I can think of now as I'm getting older, you know, you move out of the season of hey, man, my buddy's getting married. We're going to go, you know, and hang out with that. And oh, man, my buddy's having a baby till, like, oh, man, did you hear? So and so passed away. Right. And that's the stage of life that we're slowly moving into. Or so and so lost their parents. Right. That stage of life. But as I've matured and continue to mature daily in my faith, what always strikes me, first thing when I'm at a funeral, I hear about things, is, did that person know the Lord? And then the second thing I turn on is to, like, I look at the impact of their family.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: And you can always tell when a kingdom man has left or a man that was pursuing or woman, whoever it might be, that relationship with the Lord, it gives a family a little bit of a different piece, if you would. Right. There's a different correlation between knowing that my loved one or friend has gone on to a better place, or the uncertainty and the worry and the concern for them if you don't know. Right. And that's really a real legacy. There is. What are you leaving behind?
[00:05:06] Speaker B: That's a good point. You know, we spend so much time and effort going, hey, in my funeral, I want to make sure that, you know, there's a letter to so and so, and I want to make sure that my spouse knows I love them or my children know this, or, hey, I'll, you know, put all this money away so that maybe they have it and things like that the greatest gift you can give anybody is that knowledge that, hey, man, I'm going to be with my best friend. Like that ought to be. First, think about Moses. It says he was a friend of God. When you think about David, it's. He is recording his legacy as a man after God's own heart, you know, and those are things that you want to have. We fill eulogies with all sorts of stuff, accomplishments, et cetera.
But at the end of the day, that's an absolute bridge that you're going to cross.
Give your family that peace of mind. And what's your relationship with Jesus?
That has to be there, because you're right. The Bible says a ton about legacy. We're all going to get there. What are you leaving behind?
[00:06:19] Speaker A: No, that's a great point.
I think of the legacy piece. And again, I ran track back my youth.
I was. I was the Forrest Gump of the little town. I was a running fool. But, yeah, you know, I think of it like a baton. Right. It doesn't matter how swift or how great you are, if you can't pass that baton around the track. It doesn't matter. Right. Translate that to our discussion here. If you. Doesn't matter if you have Bill Gates type money or anything close to that. It doesn't matter if you have a name that has all these connections when you pass away, if you haven't given down to the next generation, the greatest thing that generates success in any area of your life, which is knowing Jesus Christ and the purpose and the life that flows from that relationship.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: Then it's just a couple generations away. And the Bible talks about this, where that generation will be lost.
[00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: And I think about this like I was. I can't remember. It was a devotional. Maybe it was on Moody Radio or something. But someone was talking about how they go to Europe, right. And there's these beautiful cathedrals built, you know, hundreds of years ago now, and all they are is tourist attraction. They're dead, you know, these beautiful things. And I think about the scripture and I can't remember it, and I'm sure someone will put in the comments or whatever, but basically, where Jesus is saying on the outside, you look beautiful, right? There's this beautiful tomb. Paraphrasing, obviously, but the inside is like dead men's bones. And, you know, you have older people, every once in a while they go in and they do, like a service in the church, but really, it's just the tourists are coming to these cathedrals, you know, and the young people don't even care about God, you know, so it's amazing how legacy can have that impact.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: We. We put a lot of investment. You think about the total. The great accomplishments of your life. Like, years ago, I set this up. I said, what does it mean to be successful in my life? What it means for me is for my children to come to know Jesus Christ. And so I invested in him.
We do Bible studies at night. We say family prayers even now.
And that's part of our household. We try to do everything I can to foster that relationship. And as I've expressed to my children, it is a great legacy. If my grandchildren and my great grandchildren come to know Jesus Christ, if Christ tarries until that time, if they come to know Jesus Christ based upon just me kind of pointing them to that, that is a phenomenal legacy.
And even in the book of Genesis, when they're.
It's at the time they're getting ready to demolish Sodom and Gomorrah, but the Lord says, you know, about Abraham, it's like, hey, I think it's in like, 18. I think it's Genesis 18, 19. And I'm going to paraphrase it, but he says he will tell his children's children about us. Right. Like, he's going to be a great man. And this is, you know, it's. It's going to continue. That's a great way to look at it.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: What's success? Hey, if you. Let's say you devote all your life in the business. Let's. Let's be candid. At one point, Kmart was a huge franchise, right?
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: What's that?
[00:09:46] Speaker A: I said the old Blue Light specials.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: I was about to say that if.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: You are still your thunder.
[00:09:52] Speaker B: Yeah. You know what the Blue Light Special was, right?
[00:09:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: And now kids just think it's when the cops chase you.
Blue Light Special on sale.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: That's.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: But it's out of business now. Yeah, right. Yeah. There was tons of stores that were. That have come and gone, so merchandise, products. At some point, the guy that invented the Gremlin car was celebrated. Right?
Yeah. You see those today? Nope. Nope.
So think about your legacy and think about what you're. What you're leaving behind.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: I love it. No, you're right. And I think. And it's instructive, you know, as I was researching doing this, you know, from a biblical perspective, it says that a man should really think about leaving a inheritance. Right. A legacy. And it's not talking about wealth here when it talks about inheritance, but that legacy of knowing where your source for resources come from to the like, third generation. So as you were saying, like, you know, I need my children's children's children to understand that in this family, the first and most important thing that we do is we honor, fear and reverence the Lord himself. And you know, in a kingdom, man, I love this definition that I found is a man who's visibly and consistently submitting to the relationship and rule of God and underneath the Lord Jesus Christ as his Lord in every area of a life. You know, putting aside those time and that effort to build that foundation in your family, your children and the impact that they'll go and have with understanding that this is what's important. Having a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ sets the tone and temperature for everything in your life. And this is what I want you to take away, not how much money I left you, not oh, we went on this vacation, not we lived at this neighborhood, Whatever the case may be. It is all about understanding that the Lord of Lords and King of Kings is the center of anything that we can call success in our family. It starts and flows from Jesus Christ.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: That's absolutely correct if you think of it. You know, I heard one of the guys, Dan John, writes a lot of lifting books and he had this statement, he goes, if you had 15 minutes to work out every day, that's it. You're in solitary confinement. They bring you out and like, hey, you got 15 minutes. You can have any exercise equipment you want. Want an elliptical, you got one, whatever. But pretty soon you're going to be released back into gym pop and you're not real popular.
What exercises would you do? And he says, it gets pretty. You get down to what's important.
And he then he asked the question, he goes, that should be the majority of what you do on a regular basis anyway, because you prioritize.
So in that same vein, if you could Write on a 3 by 5 card something for your family and you said, hey, this is what's the most important thing?
And you go, hey, this is it. I got one sentence, whatever, what would it be? It should be accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
And if that's what you would write, that should be the majority of what your life centers around pointing them towards. If it's not, then it's really not what you would write on that piece of paper.
[00:13:28] Speaker A: I love that.
[00:13:31] Speaker B: Another thing we really do have to think about is that what do other people say about you, right? Like you might think, oh man, I am. Take my family to church. I'm doing this, I'm doing that.
However, Solomon said it best, every man does. Right. In his own heart.
[00:13:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: What's. What's other people's perception of what you're doing? Because they'll be the ones to write your.
[00:13:59] Speaker A: I love that. I love that.
Go ahead, brother.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: So years ago, our greatest fan pulled me aside.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: And I can't remember the context, but it was something, and it was. People will only remember you for your workouts. This is years and years ago.
And whether it was said out of, you know, aggravation or whatever, you know.
[00:14:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: It. It absolutely rung true in my. My heart. And it made me stop and think about how people will remember. And then the first thing needs to be he, you know, Jesus Christ is his best friend, ambassador for Christ, things like that. Right. It doesn't need to be, oh, he could do more jumping jacks than the other guy.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: Well, I mean, that's a good point, but as you teed up and said so well, and it's a good segue to the, to this other research point that, you know, I wanted to bring out today is, you know, in the west in particular, in America more you know, specifically, there is this sense of individualism. Right. And individual accomplishments equals value and worth. And so that's why we hear like, oh, he was a CEO or, oh, man, he did this and that. And it. And it equates to these things where the person has passed on, but we're still trying to ascribe their value rested in stuff that's behind. Meaning they didn't take any of what you just said. None of that. None of that. The second after they took that last breath and opened their eyes in eternity, man, it didn't matter if you were. And I'll throw Mr. Bill Gates under the bus yet again. Not really throwing him on the bus, but it doesn't matter if you were Bill Gates rich or if you were the guy that was in an orange jumpsuit picking up trash on the side of the road. Right.
And I love what this. This little research I found Jason was really interested in. It says as men, specifically. Again, because we've talked through the show and I know the other significant helpers are out there listening and are big fans of us, but there is an order in God's kingdom always. He does not operate from a sense of chaos and the individualistic nature should of the west in particular, I like to call it in this. This article calls it the Hezekiah syndrome, where we as a society in General and men specifically. We have lost the ability to be leaders that see the welfare of building something beyond our days. And Jason, I know this will resonate with you because I've heard you talk about, like, you know, the old times and how you feel like you should have been born. And I agree with you, like in a whole nother millennium, maybe, because you would have been a great warlord.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: But, you know, that's what my. That's what our greatest fan told me the other night.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:50] Speaker B: Multiple times. She's like, I think you should have been born all the time.
[00:16:54] Speaker A: Yeah, you have a super old soul. But it's a good but no to the point of, like this. This Hezekiah like syndrome. You know, Hezekiah was told, hey, your family, you know, basically your throne will be taken away from.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: You know, someone's not going to sit on it anymore. And all those treasures, everything that you built up are going to be hauled away to this place called Babylon and your sons and I mean, what a heavy piece of news to hit. But I would ask the question to the audience listening, and obviously it's rhetorical. But if, like Jason said, if you had to write down on a card the news and pass it to your family, like, hey, we are heading for ruin once I leave this earth, what would you do different? What would you tell them? How would you instruct them to say, hey, this is how you get back on the right track? And it all boils down to, again, what we're talking about, that legacy of what you need to leave them. The strength, the hope, the friendship, all the titles that Jesus carries. That's who they need to know, you know, because the Bible instructs us and tell us that he will never leave them or never forsake them. He'll be a mother, a father, a brother, whatever they need in life at the time, Jesus will be that. But if you don't give them that, then they're at the mercy of the world, which we know. The world doesn't follow Jesus, it follows Satan.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So you brought up Hezekiah, and I actually really like Hezekiah because he is remembered as being a really good king.
Now, remember when he got ready to die and God says, hey, man, get your house in order. You're checking out. It says, Friday chirped like a bird.
And God says, I tell you what, I'm going to give you 15 more years. So in reality, whatever else, he was close enough with God that he got answered that request. However, in that time, he gave birth to manasseh And Manasseh is recorded as one of the most evil kings ever produced.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: And I always wondered about that, like, how that transition occurred. And so Hezekiah died when Manasseh was 8 years old. And the reason I absolutely remember this is I asked my son, when he was 8 years old.
I love it, because, you know, he had the perspective. And I said, what? Why do you think that? Why do you think Manasseh was that?
And we're driving in the car and he goes, maybe. Cause his dad wasn't there.
And I thought about it. I thought. And it kind of comes full circle here.
And it's, what kind of legacy did Hezekiah leave? What kind of relationship did he shore up with his son and his son towards God? And he says, and he knew, hey, I got 15 years. Let's. Let's talk about this where I'm going. I want you to come with me. Even David said when, you know, when the baby between him and Bathsheba was being born. And he goes, and he cried and cried and cried until the baby was born. And they come in and told him, hey, the baby's passed away.
And he gets up and he cleans himself. And they're like, oh, my gosh, he's crazy. And he says, no, where that baby is is where I'm going. He can't join me, but I'll join him. At some point. We'll be together again.
Heaven is a phenomenal place. You know, the Bible describes it, right?
Not only that, but as I pointed out to a couple of people, the shortest verse is Jesus. Well, if you look at the context of it, there's Lazarus. Right. And you know, and also to your point about, you know, going into eternity, no matter what you have, there was this story about a man named Lazarus and the rich man and one being in the bosom of Abraham and one being in hell. And he says, hey, if you could send him back to tell my brothers, well, then later, it's that story of Lazarus. I wonder if that's the same guy. I wonder.
[00:20:59] Speaker A: I don't think so, Jason. Because the second Lazarus, I think, was Marion Martha. Like it was their brother. Yeah. And he was a. I mean, they were all friends with Jesus. The other. The other one, like you said. I don't. I don't know if it was like a problem, you know, like it was a story or what. But no, they're not connected.
[00:21:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it is interesting. There was a guy named Lazarus who came back and they tried to put him back in the ground. But since Jesus wept, and I believe with all my heart that it's because he had to bring him back into this world. Right.
And so if you're a father and leave that legacy that, hey, where I'm going is you're going to go be with me. Let's not be separated, but for this short period of time.
[00:21:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: And that's it.
I think that's important.
You know, one of the most profound funerals I attended was a guy who was a former sergeant major in our UN and long story short, he was not a very well liked person. He was probably struggling with some, some demons of conviction obviously, during this time.
And he took it out on a lot of folks. He was very, very contentious person. Long story short, I went to his funeral because funerals are for the living. And I'm like, hey, his wife supported him during this time.
She deserves to be supported. So you know, his wife and his daughter. So we go, a couple of us go, and the church is clearly divided down. There's this old military friends here. But then over here it's packed with his church family.
And she flat out said, hey, he was a Saul who became a Paul. And you could see that. And you're like, know where he is. That explains it.
And that's. You want that assurance for your.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And I love that visual because the Bible is filled with examples. Even some of the men that we've kind of talked about here, where people will probably have those same kind of thoughts. I think about. Let's think about David again, one of my favorite men. That is instructive for all of us, even in modern times, to study and understand.
David is the only man recorded that was after God's own heart. No other man before him or since him has carried that title. Yeah, but when you look at his children, they're talking about the legacy. It is very messy to say the least. And you don't, until you get down to Solomon, kind of find a little bit of stability. And even with Solomon, as we look at his life, it kind of goes back to the sins of the father. And what I mean by that is what legacy did Father David provide and instruct him in the care and regard of women and following after God after all things. Right. It's not a shot, it's just, again, it's instructive. As you study out the Bible, you see these things. You think about Abraham.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: You know, he followed out of his father's house, he left his own father's house, which, that's a big deal. And I know you understand, as Jason, some of the folks that listen to us that have spent some time in the lovely Middle east where a lot of those cultural traditions follow the father. I mean, it's a big deal to go against your father to say at least, I mean, to the point where it could cost you your life.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: And he did that and he created a whole new legacy. He stepped out of something to create a new legacy as a leave behind it. And the Lord promised him something because of that faithfulness, that no one will be able, like number your descendants. It'll be like the stars in the sky or the grains of sand on the beach. What a legacy. But it took him stepping away from something that wasn't the best. And I think as guys, to just, you know, to sum up the point is, what are you really building on a day to day basis? Is it something that's temporal? Because we all seen it. You know, the father passes away, he worked his 50 years to build a business. And then Junior is like, I'm selling it and I'm gonna go find myself as an underwater basket weaver in Thailand. Like, okay, well, yeah, well, you know, good luck.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: Like when we crossed the bridge with our youngest about, hey, gonna go to church, whatever, you know, because they're at that, you know, he's at that age in life where he's kind of growing and so forth. And I absolutely respond. I'm like, hey, you know what? You're a Howard. Howard is going to go to church.
That's your name. That's what you're going to do. That's where we're moving.
If you, a guy shared this with me and I thought it was extremely beneficial. If you want to know what your family's legacy is, think back. Draw your own little family tree. Go from you to your parents to your grandparents. And you met those, if you knew the great, great grandparents and kind of draw that out, get you a butcher block or whatever, but on each side of that person, don't use ancestry because it'll go all the way back to the 1700s and you don't know, but go as far back as you can. Get characteristics of those people that you remember or being told about them. And write 5 positive and 5 negative on each side. And as you begin to trace that tree back, you will begin to see those characteristics that come out.
And the question comes up of where do the bad characteristics end? Well, everybody goes, well, it ends with my kids. And that's the wrong answer. It ends with the generation above you. You Start the right legacy.
And that's what you embody. Right.
I can't help where you, where you come from, where you started on the track, but you can help where you end up on track. You can help where your kids will start from. And hopefully they'll set up where their grandkids or where your grandkids start from. Yeah, that's. That's it. Yeah. For David in his life, he slew giants. He. Everybody always wants to, you know, concentrate on Bathsheba, but the truth is when he's referred to in the New Testament, it's a man after God's own heart. That's how he is remembered. And if you don't like that legacy you carry, you pick that up between you and our Lord and Savior.
Right?
[00:27:19] Speaker A: No, that's a good point. And, you know, I think I will. I'll just say in, you know, summation of kind of the same point of view is I look at leaving and how I try to, you know, practically leave a legacy. And how I'm building a legacy every day with my children is to impact those future generations by passing on the values of my faith and what I would describe as inner wealth. Right. The ability to understand where my sources and my resources come about, leaving that last impression that just goes beyond, you know, what we left behind for you. Tangibly, you know, instilling character traits, trying to pass on, you know, how to be a person that demonstrates the love in living up to the name of being a follower of Christ, living intentionally, you know, focusing on the things that matter. What am I putting and telling my children to put in their rucksack those primary things that you need to survive? And it starts and ends with, are you filling yourself on a day to day basis with the Bible? Are you doing Bible studies with them? Which I do? Am I praying over them to show them that prayer is important, using my words wisely? And this is a big one for us right now, and I'll just be point blank, especially for men. And in your household, you can be careful that you're not charging your atmosphere with stuff that doesn't matter, whether that be what you see from a political standpoint, what that's you, how you handle your boss and what you think about what's going on, or your friends or neighbors, or the person that cut you off before you walked in that door. What are you charging your atmosphere when you use your words? Because if you don't believe it, listen to what your children say about those same topics and it will tell you the pulse and atmosphere of your home. You know, embracing excellence, following Jesus Christ, that's where you find your purpose. And it can take you 18 years. You can get it in seven years, or you can get it in on 99 years. But the sooner that you imbibe and build in that thought that everything we do connected to Christ, it helps your children and those that follow you find that excellence. And then lastly, contributing to the kingdom being man, that is a helper. You're the hands and feet of Christ.
You're demonstrating to your children, whether it's the man that's on the side of the road and the Lord strikes you, like, give him a meal, and your kids see that, buy them some groceries, go and pray with them. There's a sick person, go and visit them. You're being the hands and feet and you're contributing and you're showing your children how to contribute to make society. You want society better. It doesn't have nothing to do what you do in a voting box. It has everything to do with those little humans, if you've been entrusted to them or if you don't have children, the world around you, that impact that you can have by bringing light into darkness is how you contribute and build the kingdom of God. And that is a legacy, in my little humble opinion.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: That's a great legacy. And I, you know, you and I known one another for a long time and absolutely, you do a lot of investment in that.
Listen to you talk over the years about, you know, what you're doing with your kids, you know, and so forth. It's really how, believe it or not, it's how the iron, sharpened iron started with us talking about that for dads out there specifically.
Well, single moms. Look, there's this. There's a psychological construct called transference.
When you engage with a child, when they have to, when they read the Bible and they look at what is the character of God, your actions, believe it or not, or framing, kind of like the lens they view that through, right? Through that transference, you have a huge. You have the ability to leave a lasting legacy by either being true to what you believe or being a hypocrite.
Right?
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Yes, sir.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: That's. That's the truth.
And I love what you said about, you know, be the hands of feet. God calls us to be ambassadors for Christ, not silent voters in another country.
That's. That's it, right? Like, yeah, you will stand out if you're a Christian. You just will.
It's. You don't, you don't belong here. You belong somewhere else.
You would be surprised at the people that try to suck me into political discussions.
And I'm like, man, you didn't hear the podcast.
[00:31:57] Speaker A: Go listen to that episode. Whoever.
[00:31:59] Speaker B: Go listen to the episode about what we. About that. That's. That's not where I'm at.
[00:32:06] Speaker A: No, that is not where we're at, right? Not at all.
[00:32:08] Speaker B: But as you get ready to leave that legacy, I think you're right. What is the first thing your kids say? I mean, here. Hey, guys, I have a couple of Bibles. You can see them. I love this Bible. This is my King James version, of course, but it's all marked up. It's all marked up. It's highlighted. I've got notes in it. And believe it or not, those are for my kids. Later, I'm gonna. I got one for each of them. I try to read through it and highlight and make all the marks and.
[00:32:38] Speaker A: I go, hey, that's amazing. That's good. I like that. I'm gonna steal that idea.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: But, you know, it's there. Take it. That's. That's. That's one of my.
That's. That's one of my gifts to. To my kids, you know?
[00:32:52] Speaker A: I love that. I love that. Oh, man, that's a good idea. Yeah, I like that. I'm thinking about, like, what if I started doing that now? Because I haven't been doing that, but, like, when they leave the house, get ready to go do whatever they're going to do. Like, hey, take this with you.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: You know, and I get it. You're going to be young and, you know, we were all there praying over you every day, even though I'm not with you, but when you crack that open and sometimes you think about, yeah, my old man said I probably should read my Bible. And you see those notes, man, that's awesome. Jason, talking about a legacy, that's. That's an heirloom. That's something.
[00:33:23] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: That gives. It keeps on giving. But, yeah, you're. You're a tremendous father, man of faith.
I don't know, but I'm no man. Like, yeah, you should get your kudos, too. Like, you're doing the best. And. And we all are. Right? And I think a lot of the folks out there listening, as I was explaining to my father in law, you know, how would you guys get started on this? And he's a minister, and I'm like, it was just really, you know, two guys that love the Lord and we bonded and we have this knit and this fellowship, like, Brothers. And, you know, people look at us from the outside like, you two guys here.
Yeah. Like, we are, like, I think about four. I don't know, Forrest Gump's on my mind. Maybe because I watched a couple days ago. He's like, we are no relation.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:10] Speaker A: But anywho, like, you know, the thing that ties us together is. Is Jesus. So.
[00:34:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:16] Speaker A: And I hope every guy has a Jonathan in his life or a couple, because you need that. But great episode. I appreciate the heart that you have and what you brought forward with those going to those tough funerals. So hopefully everyone got something out of it. But, hey, another episode of the Jonathan Project. As you can see, we have fun. We hit you with the truth, but all in a loving way. If you want us to come out speak to you again, you can find us at the Jonathan Project podcast gmail.com in the Jonathan Project podcast, gmail.com if you need prayer. Something's going on. You want us to talk about a topic? Please hit us up all there. These episodes all come out on your favorite streaming podcast platforms. That could be itunes, that could be a iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, you name it. You can find us there. The Jonathan Project podcast. Subscribe so you don't miss one episode and go back and listen to the old ones. Jason, that is another show, my friend.
[00:35:18] Speaker B: That's it. Hey, I appreciate you putting it on.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Thanks for being here.
[00:35:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Next week maybe we'll talk about something more humorous.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's the Christmas season and we do. There's a couple of things that humorous, but they still brings a point back to the Lord.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:34] Speaker A: That we most definitely want to cover, like the supposed Independence Day style invasion of aliens. That didn't happen. So I think we're gonna have a conversation about what are you chasing versus trusting. So we're talking along those lines, but. All right, brother, it was good seeing you. Talk again soon.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: I see, bud.
