Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Example, for this podcast, if you want Jason and me to come out, speak to you at your church, your business, if you have a men's event coming up and you really have found a lot of blessings in this podcast, please reach out to us at the Jonathan Project podcast gmail.com. again, the Jonathan Project podcast, gmail.com. jason, welcome back to another episode here. I know it was an interesting couple days for. For you especially.
[00:00:30] Speaker B: Well, it's interesting days for you too. So I'm going to hijack this moment. Before I tell you about that debug, let's talk about something solid and something really good. Yeah. As you realize right now, you have no mute on my side. Well, maybe you do. I don't know. It's technology. Who knows what you can do? But congratulations, you won the COVID the book cover for your books. Was it one of them or two?
[00:00:56] Speaker A: Well, so this is the.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: Because I voted on two covers.
[00:01:00] Speaker A: I know Jason's. Jason's put me on the spot here, which he always gives me a hard time for you folks, listen, I am the worst self proponent in the history of anybody doing anything. But. Yeah. So for all that didn't know, I've written a Christian book series that deals with the end times. It takes a look at a little bit of my experiences with supporting some people like Jason and just the military kind of take on it. It's pretty fun read, I think. But the book series has won a couple of awards.
I have to edit that out, right?
For Redemptive Faith is one award.
A Christian organization out of Australia gave us that award. That was pretty cool. And just recently, the Author's show, which is a big radio and online marketing kind of platform for authors, had a book contest, book cover contest. And for the Christian fiction genre, my first book in the series, Rapture Advent of the last days 1. So I get to do an interview with them at some point whenever I get the chance to slow down and schedule that.
But yeah, thanks for throwing it out there.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: Well, you're so humble about the book. I wrote a book series. Come on, man. Like, that is.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: I'm the worst man, you know, that's why I never have four stars on my chest, because I can't. I can't promote myself.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: Look, for everybody out there who has not read this, Colby, that's extremely well researched books. You know, you get right into it.
They're. They're great books. They're captivating. I love them all. But the endings, where it's just like somebody cuts the light out and that's what your dad said. I thought. I thought he captured it very well.
But I do love them, and it's. So I have to time it until. Okay, when's your next one coming out? I'm gonna stop here in the middle, work towards three quarters, and then I do it. So congratulations.
With that being said, thank you very much for putting on the podcast. For people who don't know, this, 100% is a technical Animal Planet. And we are both lean, probably heavier towards the outside. Neanderthal.
So I had. Tyler called me up, and he goes, hey, I can't see you. And I'm like, well, hey, man, we're not FaceTiming like you're calling me. What's the problem? What are you talking about? And he goes, no, on your podcast. And I went, oh, I don't know how that works. And so for those.
For people out there that were listening to us on Spotify, we didn't. We didn't know it wasn't out there.
[00:03:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So sorry for all those folks out there. It's fixed now.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: It's fixed. Okay.
We didn't know a bunch of this stuff wasn't working, and. But we also juggle that in our regular jobs. And Kobe, you do a lot of that. So I want to say thank you very much for that.
[00:04:10] Speaker A: It's all good, man.
[00:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: So enough about me here. Let's move on to God. Or even before we get to that, let's talk about you. What happened with you this weekend?
[00:04:23] Speaker B: Let me tell you, man.
So is everybody on this podcast, and everybody knows me knows I drive truck. So I had drill. I went down there, and my truck decided instead of cranking to go click.
And I figured that was the starter. So I'm going to go ahead and tell you right now, there are not a lot of videos on YouTube about how to change the starter on a Dodge 2500 diesel. And that's because there aren't that many successful people doing it.
I may not be technologically inclined, but I'm absolutely mechanically inclined from growing up working on cars to get to where I had to go and then working on them in parking lots to get back to where I.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: That'll do it.
[00:05:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it'll do it. You practice every day.
And so I worked on that, but at the same time, my wife goes, hey, we got a note from the water department, says we could have a leak. So I walked out to the meter, and it's like. It's like bones, fork. Like, I step in it, and my foot goes down And I'm like, oh, my gosh. So I dig it out. You know, you gotta dig out a whole lot. But I turn the water on to see where the leak is. It was pretty evident. Fine. We. We dumped a lot of water into that yard. It'll be green for a while. But I got all that fixed probably about 10 o'clock last night. So for those listening, it is Monday evening instead of Sunday, where we do this in a nice, relaxed atmosphere.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So, man, it's all good, man. I tried to text you and like, hey, actually Michael was texting you. I was covered in red clay and grease.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: No, I felt. I felt bad for you, man. Like, you were digging up half of Alabama in your front yard there. So I was like, well, you know what? It's not having. And we do this with each other. Right? And this is kind of, you know, the good thing with. With men. This is why you got to have Jonathan's in your life. You got to have those people that can kind of say, hey, man, like, let's. Let's take the old tactical pause. Take a knee. Because it's not good to come into something like this with a mind state where you're all stressed.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: As we're doing this after work. Right. Kind of funny. But, yeah. Yesterday was just not a good day for you and I, you know, so. It's all good, man.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: No, I appreciate it. Especially if we're going to talk about hard conversations and Good segue there.
[00:06:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: Yeah, we're gonna have hard conversations. Men are gonna have harder conversations. Believe it or not, it's our responsibility.
You know, it's not up to the school system to tell our kids about the birds and the bees or to have those types of hard conversations. It's not. Unless you.
I don't know, man. Cat litter boxes and public school bathrooms. You can figure all that stuff out.
Whatever.
It's weird, right? And then.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that is weird.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: Don't leave that up. Yeah, don't. Don't leave that up to the public school system or your kids. Friends to teach them things that they. It's on your. It's on your. It's in your responsibility. Right. As a father to do that.
So hard conversations, man. Colby, I thought a lot about that and, like, well, what makes them hard? Yeah.
And, you know, because basically it's. It's. How do you set the train back on the tracks? Right. So what do you think about. Or I'm just gonna ask you. Why do you think it's hard? Why do you think Conversation. Why do you think hard conversations are hard? Right.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: I think it's always the dynamic of it's a relationship, usually. Right. And the fear that you're going to damage the relationship in some way, shape or form, you're going to lose something that you had in that relationship. So I think that's what really makes it hard for people. But really, we're challenged and the Bible challenges, and we're going to get into this a little bit later in the show. At least I will, you know, of calling each other to the carpet, if you would.
And there's some really good examples of that. But it, but it's out of the. Again, kind of what we talked about last week. You have to have the right heart when you have a conversation with someone, a difficult conversation, even in parenting. I think about that. Like, I had a challenge with my son here recently with, you know, completing the task, aka, like, why would you turn in your homework when it's only halfway done?
Yeah.
So, yeah, hard conversation. But it's to bring him back. Right. Or if any of us have had those kind of things, to bring us back into the right mindset, to the right place. And it was done out of love. Like, I love you. You need to kind of correct this azimuth that you're on, like, halfway doing and let's complete the mission. Right. But anywho. Yeah, I think that's it, the relationship part.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: So I did some backwards thinking on this, and I got to a lot of the exact same toll booth as you got to. Because it's. It's seldom about facts. The reason it's hard is it's about emotions. And those emotions are either internal or external.
Internally, we may have obstacles that we have to overcome to address a problem. And I kind of asked, I'm like, well, why is it, why is it hard to talk to people about difficult conversations? And some of those were. Some people just don't like people. Right? Well, as a Christian, you don't really get that luxury. You know what I mean? There's plenty of examples where, like Jesus with the woman in the well. Right? Yeah. Some people are afraid. We talked about that. You said that. Right. And it's difficult to talk to people. Well, I thought about the Bible and it says, you know, be strong and have courage, meaning you need to take an action. Like, if I looked at you and you go, hey, how do I move that weight? And I go, huh? You know what you need to do? You need to pick that weight up.
That may not be easy. So it's going to take an effort.
The next thing is also, God tells us to love other people as we love ourselves.
He was pretty clear on that. Like, he didn't balk when they said, what's the two greatest commandments? He said, hey, love God with all your heart. Love other people.
He didn't. No caveats to that. Like, a lot of times, caveats, especially if I refer to our greatest fan, which is the lady I'm married to, I have to be very careful. There's a lot of caveats because she'll listen to this on Tuesday and there will be a review right after.
But then I also said, okay, so if it's internal, it could be external.
External problems. And, you know, because the goal of any hard conversation is restoration, right? Yes, it should be. Should be. If you, if you have to discipline your kids, it's to get them back on the tracks, right?
So what does that look like? And you got to know what right looks like. And by right, I'm going to lean real heavy into, you know, scripture. Like, how does scripture tell us to do that?
So hopefully that's a segue into your, into your research.
[00:11:44] Speaker A: No, no, it's you. You know, as we're sticking on kind of the, that initial thought of why are these conversations hard? You know, it's because you have to speak truth. Right? And we've talked about this so many times here on the podcast. In this day and age, you have so many places where people are trying to influence and trying to promote their sense of truth. When from a biblical standpoint, a truth is a person that is Jesus Christ. And there's no variable, there's no bending, right? It is a constant. It is fixed. And so if we really love someone and care about them, and I think I've used this example in a previous episode where I said, if you saw your neighbor's house on fire and you didn't say something, what does that say more about you than what their house is on fire. Right? And we know people, to use that analogy, we have family, we have friends, we have co workers, our community, Right? And people say, well, I can't make an impact. Well, you can. You have a sphere of influence right around you. And a lot of these people's lives are on fire, right? They are pursuing things that they really shouldn't be pursuing. But you have to one, build that trust. Then you have to have a sense of love and, and that heart of trying to reconcile and then to speak the truth. Hey, drinking five bottles of Jack Daniels every day Which I think you could pull that off and still live. Yeah, but that's an extreme example. But you should speak up and say something to someone, right?
[00:13:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:22] Speaker A: Like, hey, man, like, let's. Let's get you some help. It's not a judgment. It's just trying to help people. And I think that's the biggest thing is that love and compassion, and it's really about us growing, too. As Christians, you're maturing, and as you mature, you try to help bring along people that are not quite where you're at.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: You. So anchoring. Anchoring what you're about to say when you have those hard conversations, I think you've got to anchor it back to truth. And I love. So I'm in the book of Daniel. I love the book of Daniel. You and I have talked about this as we, you know, drive in in the mornings and stuff. So Daniel Nebuchadnezzar has this dream, and this is when we talk about hard conversations. I love how God just like, hey, I got an example for you, by the way. It's right where you're studying. So Nebuchadnezzar has this dream, right? And he goes, hey, I had this really upsetting dream. I need you guys to tell me about it or I'm gonna kill you. And, you know, everybody else goes, I need you to tell me what that dream was. And he goes. And he just kind of like stops and he goes, if you can't tell me it, you're a fake and I'm gonna kill you. Like, he repeated. You know, I'm. It's over. But Daniel goes to sleep. You know, he figures it out. He goes, hey, I'm gonna go to sleep. God talks to him, and he comes back and talks to the king, and he says. And he goes, okay. You know, the king's like, tell me what he says. He gets, ah, there is a God. And he anchors it right back into that. Right.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: In the same thing as Daniel, who had a long tenure.
I think it's. Belshazzar had the. Right.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: That was his. That was his name once. He went to Babylon.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it was, though. So, okay, what's. What's the other king? I'm trying to.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: He served with Xerxes, I think. Right? Was the last one, I think.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And so here it is, Nebuchadnezzar's reign in heaven. So kings appeal to Daniel.
There was another one that had the writing on the wall. Belshazzar was the guy, was the king. His name sounds a lot like it, though. I know what you're talking about. Like.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah, got you. Yeah.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: Well, Cesar or something, if you can pronounce that and you want to write in or tell us, that's awesome. I cannot. Yeah, I tried, but. So he has the writing on the wall, and the queen's like, oh, I know a guy. And so he comes in. Daniel comes in, and he has to have a hard conversation, but he anchors it back in truth, and he says, I want you to know something. Your father, Nebuchadnezzar, he didn't. You know, he felt like he was a little too proud, too.
This is what God did. Let me tell you where God is in your life right now. It's about to be snatched from you.
I think as we as Christians, as we as fathers, husbands or even single moms out there and so forth, your. Your only have a good way to put it. Your authority in a situation has to rest and anchor on truth. And scripture is the truth.
But like you said, it's. It's a loving way, which is. Which is tough.
And if you. So I did a little research. Colby.
[00:16:42] Speaker A: Yeah, go ahead.
[00:16:43] Speaker B: All right, so here's the deal.
When you get ready to have a hard conversation, and we started out and we said, hey, you gotta love people enough to talk. You gotta anchor it in the truth. But before, because I know you've got a lot of things about how we do this, I understand this.
You're competing. Whatever's going on, you're competing with other people's stuff. Right. And you better pray for that opening in that time.
I did a little research here, and it talked about, you know, that people attend 25 million meetings per week. I feel like I have 24 of those million myself.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm right there with you.
[00:17:25] Speaker B: Yeah. So we probably have that covered. But there's. And then you also have people with emails, and, you know, so many hours spent on email, like, 28 hours per week spent on email.
And then you look at 90, 92% of people are multitasking at any given time in their life.
So you don't have the luxury to mess around when it comes time to talk, nor do you have the luxury to not be. To guide them in the right direction.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, again, it's. It's really simple. And, you know, I'll pull up a couple examples, but, you know, one that popped out to me was, you know, Luke 9:46 through 50 with the disciples.
And I'm sure the disciples argue a lot. Any of us has ever worked in A group or around a group of people, then you understand, like, you know, sometimes there's this frictions, but there was. The heart of this conversation was a little bit of pride where the disciples, like, who's going to be the greatest? Who. Who's the greatest of us here?
And Jesus kind of in the way that he always does. He pulls an example. He. He grabbed a little child. He says, you know, if you can't come to me and welcome, you know, yourselves and humble yourselves like a child, then you know, you're not the least is the greatest, right? This upside down kind of view of how greatness kind of works in the kingdom. But that was a hard conversation to have, you know, to tell people that, hey, you know, you're missing the mark.
But often, often I feel like in our personal lives, we allow things to go for too long. We allow situations, sin, to kind of get a good foothold in a person's life. And then we want to have, like in a class, an example is called what, what the intervention, right? That's what the world says. They wait till the person is kind of completely strung out on something, gather a bunch of people together, and then tell them it's wrong. Well, you know, we're not doing anybody any favors by shying away from these conversations. And we have them more often than we. Than we think. If you really just sit down and peel back those layers, we're having difficult conversations quite often. But if you prepare yourself and we talked about this before, you know, studying your word, you know, spending time with God in prayer, then that discernment versus the judgment, right? What we talked about last week, you can kind of see with a person like, hey, man, like, I feel like something's going on. Let's talk about. Let's get you some help. There's no judgment here. I just want to get you on the right track. But we can't shy away from, you know, we can't be too macho as guys, especially like, hey, man, you know, I see you out here, you're married, but I see you doing some stuff that you shouldn't be doing. And I don't want to say nothing, right?
[00:20:26] Speaker B: A lot of times we. So there's a psychological law almost, right? Which is odd to say with psychology, you know, physics got lost. It's like gravity is a law. But there's this one. And they sum it up real well in Facing Giants, when he says, you like to judge everybody on their actions and you on your intentions. So just like a professor told me one time and it was a great statement. I was talking to him about something, and he goes, well, you know, people are really just doing the best they can all the time. I thought about that. It was like the good Lord kind of laid it on my heart. It's right. Most people think they're doing right, even if they know they're wrong. There's a. There is a. They believe their circumstances led them to that. Right.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: And so how we. How we deliver the heart of the message, I think is really important.
I love the story of the woman at the well. I also don't think you need to deliver if you're going to set the train back on the tracks. It's not between two positives, you know what I mean?
[00:21:28] Speaker A: Like, for like the sandwich thing. Yeah, eat that. I hate that.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: I almost prefer sometimes, you know, you gotta know me. I'm like, hey, this is the standard. This isn't where you met the standard, but this is how you're gonna get back on the stand, you know, And. And that's. I think that's pretty ideal. But I also think, man, you gotta have. You gotta have a. You gotta have a plan when you talk to people, you know?
[00:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: You gotta know the problem. You gotta think about the cause of that problem, and then you got to give a possibility of hope.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:05] Speaker B: I think that last part is pretty key. A lot of times we just won't tell people, hey, man, you're messed up. Go figure it out. And that's. That's wrong.
You know, they got to where they are.
[00:22:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:18] Speaker B: So you gotta help them. The woman at the well, though, you know, talk about loving someone outside of the norm. She was a Samaritan.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: The Samaritans stayed when the Assyrians, the brutal people, took everybody captive. Right. Did you know that they would cross over the Jordan and go north? They wouldn't go through Samaria. They hated them.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was a big, you know, racial kind of divide between those two groups. Like ethnic kind of divide. Like they. They would go out of their way not to go to Samaria, you know, but, you know, there's a couple other kind of good examples along those lines of difficult kind of conversations and not shine away with big impacts that. You know, kind of want to highlight one. One of my favorite people to study, if you ever listen to the podcast, and me and Jason talked about this person quite a bit, is King David.
[00:23:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: Nathan confronting him.
[00:23:17] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:23:18] Speaker A: Now, David was known for a lot of things, and one of them was, as Jason would say, was Tearing it out of the frame. He was a warrior. Yeah, no doubt. And so coming to him, you know, after he's committed adultery with Bathsheba. And this is from 2nd Samuel 12, 1 14, if you want to go back and read it. He kills Uriah to cover his tracks.
[00:23:37] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: And so Nathan gets. Approaches him and he uses a story about a man who stole. All this man had was a lamb and someone. And a rich man steals it from.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: And David's, you know, he's a righteous man. You know, he's like, hey, I. Who is it? You know, I'm gonna tear it out. And then he tells him, you know, bam, you did it.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: You're it.
[00:24:01] Speaker A: And thankfully, and this is why David has the title that none of us will ever hold, is man after God's own heart? Is he repented? You know, so it's a powerful story of having a conversation. You can't be afraid when the Lord is putting something before you. And I'm sure Nathan was a little terrified, rightfully so. But he did the right thing. You know, the other one is Jesus and the rich young ruler. We covered this in a previous episode, Mark 10, 17, 22. But here you see a man who one knew. Jesus knew the disciples had heard the messages and he was given an offer and he turned it down because he had an attachment to something that wasn't the best for him. And we probably know a lot of examples out there, like with men and women and the folks in our circles where they're doing something and yeah, it's not necessarily bad. Having the wealth wasn't necessarily a problem, but it's the attachment and what is manifesting in you that is a problem. Right. And so the young man left. And then lastly, you know, Paul rebuking Peter. Galatians 2, 11, 14, where Paul had confront Peter publicly for withdrawing from eating with the gentile Christians because he got a little ashamed because of the Jewish believers telling him. So he had to rebuke a prominent. Now this is. This is Peter. This is also the Peter that walked on the water. This is the Peter that cuts off ears. This is the Peter that curses. This is not an easy man to have probably conversations with. He's probably right. And now he's a church leader. Right. So. But Paul being Paul, he had boldness and he says, hey, we're going to stick to the truth of the gospel. Jesus came for who, for everyone.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:50] Speaker A: And you can't just because your buddies over here don't like these people.
You. You gotta let that Go, man. And I'm paraphrasing that conversation, but it wasn't an easy one. But we know conversations like that where you see people shying away from something because, like, oh, well, I run in this social circle or I'm a part of this group, and it's like, well, that doesn't mean anything, man. Like, yeah, you know, I, I think.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: And you, You. You know, you hit a nail on the head. Now, we read. We read that letter. Right? But when you confront somebody with a problem and you're like, hey, I'm gonna get this train back on the tracks. You got to do it private.
If you embarrass people in front of people, they have to respond.
[00:26:31] Speaker A: The old.
[00:26:31] Speaker B: The old saying is if you pull a man, if you pull somebody's man card, they got to respond.
So, you know, you admonish in private and things like that. But I also think about a guy who didn't have a chance to do things in private. And that was Moses.
Is. He had. If you don't think he had a hard conversation, that's. That's. You're out of your mind. Right.
He said he didn't speak well and he has to go before the Pharaoh and all these other things. But also, just like with Joshua, Jesus or God already had a conversation. I'm sure he had. He had conversations with Joshua about, be strong, be courageous.
You know, he calls you in there, God may have put you in that one spot.
You know, Ezra had the conversation. Not Ezra, the. The. The king. The female.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: Esther.
[00:27:29] Speaker B: Esther. Esther.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: Esther.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Thanks. I appreciate it.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: You know, she was. She had to run the risk of getting her head cut off and more. Guy shelter says, hey, man, God put you here for a reason. Don't. Don't discount that.
[00:27:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: You may be in somebody's life right now. You may be the only person that cares enough about them to share the gospel to go, hey, I just want you to know, the trains left the tracks.
This is what you're doing. This is how we can correct it.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: And, you know, and that. That's the truth. Yeah. Also sometimes, man, they're how they settle that ups between them and God and their conscience, because that's really what we're here for. Right. Like, I'm bringing you to Jesus. You and Jesus are going to work out a whole lot of stuff.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's a great example of that. Jason, you're right. I think we too often want to feel like we have more power over eternal destinies than we do in the church. Corporately. Right. I don't think we boil it down to our job is just to be obedient. Think about Jonah, right? Jonah did not want to go to Nineveh. He's like, yeah, I don't want to have this conversation. I hate them people, you know, they can all just die.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I'm mad. I want you to kill them all. I'm, I'm gonna go the other way and get. Eat by a fish.
[00:28:51] Speaker A: And I'm willing to just go against God because I don't like these people this much. But it's like you said, like once Jonah came to his senses and it took a while, right. And a lot of extra supernatural kind of things. You know, it really still didn't boil down to Jonah's message converting people. Now the largest revival that, one of the largest ever recorded in the Bible came out of Jonah's messages.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: But each individual there had to make a choice.
[00:29:19] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:29:19] Speaker A: Jonah's job was to be obedient. Our job is to be obedient. And if the Lord is putting on our hearts where we're at, in the jobs, the clubs, wherever, you know, you find yourself in your society and your community, that's where you have that impact. And then the Lord has you for a reason, a purpose. And it might just be to win one soul, to have one hard conversation that changes someone's eternal destiny. So you have to step up.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: Don't, don't be self righteous about it. God's righteous, you know, and that, that's the thing, right. A lot of times we get that. Well, I'm just going to point my finger and I'm going to tell you how you're messing it up. It's always out of love, you know, when you think about the confrontation of David and is seeing Nathan was a prophet, last time I checked, I'm not one. So that means I'm. You know what, I'm going to, I'm going to stick to the, to the loving example. And let's. Because I do. I love you. I want you to get back on the track. Even when I've had to discipline my son, I love him very much, you know, or my daughter. I'm like, hey, I love you very much. The train has left the tracks. We've tried to talk it back on the tracks multiple times. So let's, let's just have a reboot and let's, let's move forward. Yeah.
You know, by the way, I'm gonna tell you, when I was in Iraq, I was in nineveh which is Nineveh. I saw the capital of Assyria.
That's there. And they have a temple built to Jonah when Jonah showed up. It's the original rocks that are there. Incredible.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I've seen that. I've been. Yeah.
[00:31:00] Speaker B: Spent some time there, right outside of Mosul, man. It's right there, right? Well, yeah, I was like, oh, my goodness, it's there.
[00:31:09] Speaker A: I also got to see again now. Now we're nerding out war story time, right?
The ziggurat of Abraham's supposed house, Right? Yeah.
And that was neat. And then also Babylon, Right?
[00:31:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:26] Speaker A: Down there, close to Halal. But the gates, the Ishtar gates and all that kind of stuff. But anywho, Podcast for another. Another day.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: Podcast for another day. Another day.
But it was amazing, you know, such a. Such a strengthening of the faith. I'm like, oh, my goodness. But hard conversations. The Bible's full of where people have had to have those hard conversations.
And, you know, I really think about. Even when Jesus talked to the. To the woman at the well, he was like, hey.
He was steering her towards salvation. In all the conversations, it's always. And he never. Just like, when she says, well, I ain't got a husband, he's like, I spoke pretty true on that.
He didn't call her a liar. He's just like, I'm not calling you a liar. Just what you're saying is not true, you know, but he lovingly is bringing her back into the fold. People who are doing wrong, man, they. They know it. Yeah, they know it.
[00:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:29] Speaker B: They don't. Come on. If you. If you love them enough to care, then you love them enough. Talk.
[00:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:35] Speaker B: Or, you know, if you love them enough. That doesn't make any sense. So you can't edit that out. If you love them enough to care, if you care enough about them, then you should care. Enough talk.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: No. Yeah. And I got you. And I think everybody did. But no, that's a good point to kind of put a bow on. On. On this episode. Now, you know, difficult conversations are. Are just that they're hard, but they're worth it. And I hope everyone kind of takes that away and explore some of those examples that we threw out today on the episode. Go back and encourage yourself. Right. Hey, it can be done. And. And it usually leads to a really good impact if you follow through on that with love and with a little bit of understanding. So that's another episode of the Jonathan Project. So this episode will be out Tuesday. More on Spotify.
We have that fixed. So for all my Spotify fans, again, we apologize, but we have it up and running. Apple, iHeartRadio, you name it, you can find us again. If you want us to come out, speak to you at a men's event, church event, your business, whatever the case may be, please reach out to us@thejonathanproject podcastmail.com Again, thejonathanprojectpodcastmail.com Jason, always good to spend some time with you, talking about the Lord and just building up each other. And I hope there's no more breaks, mechanical issues.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: I do, too. I hope nothing breaks tonight. I'd really like to get some rest, but I do love the podcast and you know I do. And you know, I go back to. I gotta say this before we cut off here and you close it out, but the iron sharpening iron, right? Like, that's a tough conversation. That's not just Bible studies.
That's some iron sharpening iron. Like, that's some rubbing some iron together to, hey, man. But it's consistent and it's a lot. It takes a lot, right? And that's. That's it. Like, wash them with water. So I got to throw that in there. Especially considering iron sharpening iron. The Jonathan Project.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: I appreciate it. All right, buddy, talk to you again soon.
[00:34:44] Speaker B: All right, See you, brother.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Bye.
